BULLDOZE SCI ROCKVIEW: ABOLITION, PRISONER SUPPORT, AND RESISTANCE TO GENOCIDE IN ohlst and anti-authoritarian radio show: jeas from struggle around the word, You can send us letters at: ‘The Final Staw Radio POBox 6004 Asheville, NC 28816 usa TESR: ‘Thanks Jor joining us, Can you introduce yourself, tell us a little about what you do? What are the stakes of i¢? Yon are a supporter of peuple locked up by the Peansyfvania Department of Corrections? Ia short hand, Is called PA-DOC? Prott: So yeah... henks for having me on the show: PA-DOC is the Pennsyvcnis. spartinent of Corrections. I'm a fiend, comrade, and ouside support of abo- tionist comrades in « number of Peansplvania prison fecilites. | Seve loved ones imprisoned by PA-DOC specifically. I'm speating as myeeifhere, Bat 'm also shar- ing some perspective from a dacentratized network of peoole sho are negatively impacted by policing sad incarceracion, and who are auconomously organizing (0 ‘expose the genocidal conditionsof PADOC. On hoth sides ofthe wal. Right now, we have been esexisting our support fur specie str SCI Rodview. The demands oF this srugyde come from prisaners—thes are from: inside, The demands ate for a group of guards, wo bung nooses in the arison Last ‘November to face material consequences. Wact’s happening a: SCI Reclorew is ‘cover up at the highest levels. & cracialown on dissens—at evety point in the fc- ity’s chain of command. The locus, however, is the superintendent (the waréen}. ‘Wesuspect maybe even further up in she DOC's chain, because Reckviewis precy fucked up, And thereisa strong argument for she factity tobe closed; from Scnily of prisoners locals, and from prison activists, chat itcotld be closed tomozrow aad no aew prisoa ever be built again in Penasyivanis, Prisonets bave been speaking out about conditions in cis facility, by Eling lots of grievances against the guards and melling laters to advocazy groups and non-DOC offical. This ushered in waveof retaliation and, ub, repression against anyone who exposes this kind of aumospiseric anti Blackness. So yesh, ah the type of prisoner support [have ean iavalved in, for this speificstrugple, bas involved creating, ub... creating a presence, with oters. Cre- ating avstle and known presence with others on the outside, co thet comrades on the inside can fee! resourced, sapported, ond emboldened when shey make deci- sons to take setion, And so that, when they do take action against che conditions of their incarceration in PADOC, the always remain in public view. The strac- rareof the regimes designed to male prisoner resatanee invite or hide so-slled "fre world.” I think ic isimporrans co als frst say tha oi activity we're eling about coday issiated on unneeded Lenape territory, occupied ‘by the US. serler nation, At this ery moment the United Seates..and this is m= lated... The United States is facilitating the genocide of Palestine by Zionist Irae. The accelerated ganocide war over there, as well asthe anc-colonial war of! tion that Palestinians are engaged in, nezds in be talked about more as the shared context for struggles egainst white-sapcemacise domestic warfare, ogulnse cepita lam, against ant\-Blackness, oocupation, and genocide here on Ture Island. Irs 2 shared landscape with whae is going on in PA-DOG, and the fight at SCT Rock- view. ‘TASR: Can you tall us 2 bie about SCLRockview, where it's cituated and owlao Hives chee? Fratt: So, SCI Rockview isin omntral Pennsylvania. I's near Siaze College, Rock: ‘view is an iuteresdag fuellty in the political landscape of PA-DOG. Tis a place vwhuee in 2025 there was a double-digit death toll. um... and some sever instances of prisonars getting bez by guards. There wes « men who was pummeled by gards lex year, injared bloods, and throws down a stairwell. Thece-was an out- ‘break of legionaries discase at beginning of last yeu. (Leglonnires disease cannot ‘bespteid throug person to person contact, icsan only besprealhrough envisoa- ditions. So ike the soil or water vapor, or moisture via ventilation and sorfhcess bot te can’t be spread through person to person contact) There was stat member orught um, mbezding funds and all chat bappeaed wes chey wae moved wo anther felliy. And, Ie, there are active lawsuits abd apgeals of decied yitevences filed against this facilicy and she abuses uf corrections officers (like. COs) Ls als « place that is exttal in she Snftastracoura! web of PADOC, intitusions, ie. “hte plot of feed shat SCI Reckwlew oocupies is also home to tae Secuiey Proceasiry Center, where everyone mailisg books to anyone across the entire PA DOC ved: dicirstull x, Any bockor publication, ikea zine, uh moscnewsletters. Teall goes otk, dis sate ares before getting sent ro anyone held expetvein B DOC! Selicy e's als where they house the deatk penalty chamber, Eren hough ther’s2 moratorium on. death penalty kilings in Pennsyivani, i’ sill wher death chasnbser is, SCT Benner Township is directly across the street, end isthe hub “where all che ears and bases are stored for tansporexion and movement through out PALO, 6 terms of the history of the Faciliy: in 2012 someone, um. Soimcone shene war zoe :o deat in his cel. Asphysiated. There was wide portage of cis thc can be found ankine sl und prisoners in the factity today mil share the story of bis dexch. Mumia even wrotean article back then about tin the Bayview News- paper. So there's bess mespheric ansi-Blacknes, right? is, uh, a history of culrarel genocide: inchiding bens and attacks on Black cutraral ‘wear and sre, parsicular hexdweae that's rested to Islam. Six years after a prisoner sumed Kerry X sued PA-DOC for this, he ban was temporary overcuraed. ‘io there's been 11 deachs char we've counted. There were sevea deaths From Jansury to March of 2025 alone. The disse outbreak during this period sway literally Cxe result of ike. che coxic built envirouinent. kn the following sever, months efor chat, chere were like four deaths — al have been reported by Prison Lagel News, Tae string of beatings of prisoners by guanis is less kucwn ancl hat not heca pubsicly reporeed ca my kmowledge. ‘This is something 1 personally jase ‘eames abouca few months ago. We neve people thet can corroborste that Fany- ‘one wars to reech out and so same more digging. There isa paxtern of intense dishoncaty and attempts co cover up eggresive CO violence ihe facility Jherg. In Nevecrser 2023 cere Wis an incident were prisoners witnessed twu nooses bang i the office of the prison ‘guards, what's kadwn as the bubble. So PE jan leave it then in cerocs oF ke. simation that’s going on now. I: wascomning on the tail end of year of these deaths and beatings and taxic conditions thar prisoner suffered, Thats on: top of just the mundene Kind of .. you know... quotidian racism and harassment experienced by prisoners fiom gaards, Same comrades have audio coming ox this week, froma some of the wives 2¢ men imprisoned shere who have recently faced repression for shelr resistinoe and persistence, The contrades In the Mixa prisoner podcast. were hating stories of theic hrsbands have been called everything ftom: “monkeys” by the correctional affcers, you know the whole sew of anci-Black, acix ropes, So yeah, so there's.a lot going on at SCI Rockview. The place reslly needs to be shy ‘down, and nothing new ever builrin itsplace. Andir's the nooseincident shat we'll Jbe mostly talking cbour here roday. But, agein it's jus the sip of the ier, TFSR: And just looking at Wikipedia, Bellefonte is around 96%, white, I think I cead somesshere that 45% of prisoners at SCT Rockview is Black, Tdos’t know what the composition of the guards is and obviously white supremacy is « systematic problem, tut also if you have slot of locally hired, white guards enacting this kind of violence on a proportionally large Black population that there's something to be said shout that dynamtc, Frott: Yeah, cenainly, exvainiz. And ther's « couple of chings ta be seid about that in tems of the demoygephy of the guards. One peint shat more ten all ¢f the prisoner population is actually Blac’ slightly over 0K, A comrade was-cor- rectal om this tacstic by someone who knows che data better the other day. cand the makeup of che guards is under 10% peopl of color. But to be clea the racist abuse is also prepared by Black and Brown puards. Ic ie usuly what some scholars call “multiculooral white supremacy” or “nrulsracial antiBlackneas.” Regasdiew of the identi 0: racial postion of che guard is, the Fact ofthis person, yout now, ‘being instirutionay empowered by the regime, in a relcion of oppressive power and anthority overyouss 2 captive, and the level off dehumanizacios and criminal- featico, right? The level of it projected onto you as an imprisoned popalarien. PA-DOC really is jastkind of ke a tinderbox. when you stare connecting the docs Dberwveen atrocities, the level of consciousness among prisoners oF sues atrociies in all the ficiltes, and we must continue to ruse alarcs abort che cbreat level of state _ war currently being waged upon the Imprisoned people held in SCi Rockview, Tae sgtlevances a group of prisonets fled a: Rockview, 20 expose the hooses hung in te [Péison bubble, isla fact «life and death matter. 1 hope by what we discuss bere today, people wil be able to ee this, “TESR: eab, and so with the Guard Dubble... Just co folks know if be bad enough IF the they hung the nooses in the break zoom, even some propor- ton of the guards or staff would probably be uncomfortable if nooses were be hanged in their space, But this was visible to the block, right? Frott: Yeuh, 90 x group of prisones i. the facility in November saw the nooses ancl they tnimediarely convactesl their family members on the ourside, cxplsining fn quitea bit uf disuess wha: Beppened. They feared for ther lives, and even, more so onex they starved spealing owt abourit. So... um... yeab... they provecded to fle grievances sig the offical process. Andie... de giTevances detail iscliy vex- atim fers So, they go “face number one, fact mamber two" etc, and so on. They detail everyting: how wha: thar they saw and how it wes objectively there. Anuth- cer thing they also did was add to the grievance some terms of “relie£.” Now, these serms of rif wane very reasonable, ‘Yor any place of smployment, you know, if someone were to hang noses, there wou be some sor of consequence. The complete opposiz has bappencd in this crvation, which T can go into in 2 moment. But esentialty che terms of relief that they were demanding were super reasonable, Like soooo ressanable that it is jastsilly to think that no consequences happened. Basically the first dernand that the prisoners were malking was that this act should be investigated as 2 “hate crime.” Now, this demand is also moe about ‘demand for an external investigation by asourcethatisnot the sate or some offic, ‘who the prlson’sia the pockets of. Aad there’s been 4 pedagogy about the limits of the concept of “have crimes” tbraaghous this straggle.. between everyout.. Spe fially sround the kberal language of “hate crime,” right? One person brought up “De people really want thew guards to be imprisoned alongside chem? Or is “what we went, more precisely, diminating thett ability to hold power over vulner- able, captive popalasion?” So, what isthe abolitionist response here? Imean, first would say is would be to doxcthe guards, who have gone unscathed, maybe even go. to theizkcuses (laughter). Bus wouldn't wanna give people any ideas, 1 do believe the guards should fuse sere consequences for thelr actions, and I chink, because of how viclendly anti Black che DOC is demonstrating itself to be tn this fallow, an external investigation of che while entire sysem is easy to make the argument we're pushing har fist demand still becuse [think the fees prison won't even do an invesvigation in its own terms oflanguage of “hate crimes" is exposing quite s bit, The internal investigation was closed bore knocked ar the wardea. We ave not brand new, we know who 3s responsible for losing the « second demand that was derived trom the denied grlewances isthe: ing of eyo of the guards, Now... ’aere's2 third guard, who is the subjectof the chisd demand, sd che dezand is for this third guard to get muendacory therapy. [Light laughter wer breath} Now, we initially were not going vo share publicly why this guard is cippnend to pet mandatary therapy instead of being fired with the other ‘wo. Buc at ccs point, they are bringing this on chemaclves, The third guard begged far motcy flaugaver}.. actully begged for mercy frou the prisoners who caught his as. Iewasan cet of meroy chat this person get mandatary therapy inscead of be fred because lis wife allegedly ts woman of color and he did nov want shis woleak ost, So, we have these three demands, and they’vs becoeze the demands of 2 Janger campaign because of the refs! of nor jus: te faciry, but alan BA-S3OC. sow brosdly to co iealy anything, ‘They have done nothing Tes March 28h fight now, and this event bappence in Iate-Novemnber. ‘That was wea the noares were witnessed, ‘TRSR: So when did prisonec resistance to this begin to uptck? Froth: [ean speak for myself, Ueumed abour the noose incident in the middle of December, ftom 2 friend uf mine, who was imprisoned in the facilixy. He was the first person to be punished when news of the so-called “noose incident” satted leaking out Alejandro Rodrigues-Ortiz—who goes by the name “Kaona." The oases were scen tre last week of November. December grievances were sabraited, and not all of hem were offically filed by the grievance coordinator believe. ‘When ic became ciear that the grievance process stalled out, we decided in January to initdace a phone and email eampaign; Folks outside began to soread ‘word to other folks on the outside in a very autonomous, decenttallzed-network kind of fashion. So, there hasa’t aeaully been onc sole locus of who is interacting with the prisoness and who is leading anything right now, which s great. If poopie are listening and connected with penple inside Rockview, we're cnooursging to share news with your peuple inside, about what has gone down at the faci event weeks, Leis fot of people finding ecc®s other through this crugele. Engiging jn conversation abour strategy, openly onlize ead in prin on'y publications, and gating out how to colaborate.on the fi. There ace longstanding neewarics of e+ ‘ual suppor that have propelled action forward on she outside. And there are new eicounters and allies stiking up ic seons neutiy every day. ‘Now; tharbeing sad, there Is definitely a set of abolition ng this struggle, specifically, And thatis: we beliete telterror of SCI Reckview not aly needs to be exposed but destroyed, Car we get tugether around a facility like this, like peuple are esensallyerying vo do in other states, oF in other countris... Could this ight against Rockview serve asa specific struggle or space of convergence forall who desire to bulldoze PA-DOC? I think thax is sexually the defining fearure of the discoarse around this project and the basis of alliaty that people involved seem to all mostly share. Rex ching the number of ebuses and amount of CO vicience in this facility iecomes smind-mambing. Arid i isnot an exception to the re bur just perfec, uh expo tory sxample af what PA. DOC is, "Tre nooses the deaths, che tone conditions. all oF chi as been exposed bby the fight of peooie inside the fail, but itis also being exposed in ocher facil ities as well. For instance, at SCI Phoenix there is a growing carapalgn to end the ‘weaponizasion of food as punishmens. There sa *feed-in-cel” policy ‘haz has been used since te panderaic’s startin 2020... iv is used asa disciplinary esecc and form, of puuisiaaent according 10 & comrade who recently wrote me. There are aso oxi ‘ight bans oa ia person visio and sevble trezamentof filcein the visking room, AlLof theve smaller grievcoces, when combined and you add thems up reveal the ingolerable condicions thar we're up agelast, And nane of this iecorrupeion, in the slightest. Always remind poople that this isthe normal functioning of the regime. ‘Much of tis abuse i ike sanctioned and condaned In DOC policy. “Ta remuen to SCE Rockview, there has been alot. of unity ainong prisoners in this Fuck throughou: dhs entre process, and it has been generated largely be- cattse the guards are so fucked up. The conditions are Fucked up, And thisis one of the ressoas why the adininistration hav meved so swift ta cover up the noose incident, which is «very imporcant thing to keep reminding panple. After one of the bestingy fast year, the DOC actually ent in hostage negoriatore ro wander the facility in the case there was an uprising. They koow exietly che violence they im- pose on prisoners. They control what ieseen snd beard by the outside word. Since the resistance escalated, COs have now resortal to srping to exocrbate divisions Iherween prisoners, even spreading misinformation about outside supporters to people insde. ‘This is also why chey have so swittly retaliated against some of the prison not sinpped pressing to expose the issue, This isa cover up that we suspect ic coming from « very high up place, and agin. Ie is a tinderbox. And they know it. Tyo people targeted as leaders" were actually thrown in the ho'e follow ing a sevorel wave of phone zaps zwo weeks ago—thisis lane Masch—and they were seansfetred rapidly, Charles Gilyard and Charles Carrington, Probably the qukk- «est transfer Have ever fist handseen BA-DOC do, Ifyou got people in Rockview toll eon 0c al of eis > eave Twsthip PAL Gn Neher 248 200, mprisone peopl st SC] Rake i in sys office, Ateplayad visibly for mang prisonezs to sec. 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Tffou chester speak with sdmnie, hese ane their epeer: Superintendentie Bokbi joSalanion; Nepesy Supsvincendent of Centtal Serves is Hike Rowe; Depary Superincendenr of facili s Scare Wandering, Rasiness Kianageri Adam Beck incenZents Asistancir Micki Paul Nicht is alsa che grievance eoardinscor ig las. When you zllthe prison directly aveta speak with ary ofthese ade-in “The hengingofiwo nocses is endomstond by eae people imprison! at St aieecrahes ostile2e and de,iyofensive Sone 2:2€scosinghew there ets are past 2 lange pattem Eeriminatery practice ead by comretional oRenteat hi epee ae thi vat anyother swore, the act of asuging nooeer wou lend rosevavecotsequeszes, The adsin a2 SCE Roden Hane uot sey Cigpleye Indifzeniee the rei act ut wae crea ave mec Toes te sllnee psouersix é!stsey the cient Wers3°P8 DOG ofiatst ceeagnice tbe lisse of Up hamer ded, whi at dasinel om the eebanate yt acces, ‘TESR: So you did « first wave of phone zaps in January, and then 2 more re cent wave of raps this past moath? I naticed there is atimeline of this most Feoent rap on the website Drneming Freedom Practicing Abolision. Is that Where most of this spectiic struggle bas been documented sa fer? Frott So, yeah. buck to the sory. T guess Igor off track a bit. My friend Kaone reached uurtand was lie, “so there’sthis incident chareppenced baci November.” And so, this was in December. So, ie was a couple weeks after the grievances and it ‘was becoming abviows chat the prison wasn’t going to do anything, At the end of January, ourside launched « phone zap. This phone zap was amplified through a collectively ran enon Teter acsount called "“Babolitionscady.” They are aso on smastodon now apparently. Tris group of comrades also have a blog, called Drean- ing Frecdom Practiting Abolition, chat is repreweatative af a seady group networ', self-organized by prisoners in PADOC, ‘Tay are an above ground grou: their educetlonal work seems ta have a honizontal inside-outside enc tute, this eonsedlation of comrades alsa comes Jr tbe Belly (a prisoner edited jours) prisoner podeést called Inthe Mix, and each aveusber also has thelr awn co projects and relations of unity acrass diferent sauvemans. This cllowe them t0 ‘maintain auconotay while collaborating oollecsvely. Over the years, the Dreaming Dreedems Practicing Abolition ste hus pi Jished information, from suucly groups inside. Bus outside people will use dieters: plaeforms associatod with the proftso amply and share their own patisin sorag- fl aes and perspectives somecimes us well There are other people, firbeyond the DS ‘conarades, involved in this struggles outside component. This inches the D.C. chapter of incarcerated "Workers Organiring Committee loc aboliconists in he State College ares, and therc has been more informal organizing and political «ation work occursing around this specific struggle, From. Philly 0 Pistsbargh. So iis savonomous and parcicipacony. Much of the setegy and aieyoir ras been ciculased in very publtcand accessible ways, And since prisoner support sranscends borders, the supportive netwosis are nor fort localized 20 Peamyylvanis. ‘Whevever there is institution and target conneated to RAcDOC or the prism re- site in general, peaple are welcome tu ake action ageinst it. But I got off sect. what was [responding to? ‘TFSR: I was wondering more about the phone zaps. how have those been going? Frott: Ob, so, yeah. So, Rockyiew, The ealhine began io Janussy and they wore ie rected notatthefaclcy but at PA-DOC. And the calle were dicctad at the Centr (Office and the Kastern Olive, And most of che calls were igacral, most of these ‘went to voicemall, Participants fled repore-hactes from tais thee then got compiled con the group-jurt-mentioned’s ewitzr, and thes kind of set the low of things from sheve, B J = é Ss el teléfono BaD sy, SM rome ne ; as mort (cll tehueh locos! 4 phone apis ineant to jam up things, making communicators at 8 offige or faolity more dificule, But cis one was mainly sneant to put on bles, rake public wiset was being hidden in the facility co PA-DOC higher upe, So, it vwas almost nore ofa “calin campaign” chan a phone zep proper But anyways is got the attention of PA-DOC, They proveedsd eo conta the fecilirg che werden, or superintendent. And the superintendent jse scred lise his bends were tied. He contacted socatisy, who S another person that a lot of a2 cals get bordenecked at Security then askesl the very officers who bung the noases IF they did indeed perpecrate che acr and the guards dested any responsiiity hanging nocyes This concradices the fact cher these guacds, when caught by the prisoners in Nowessbes, azmuaily admired they hung the nooses but isude cai that “it was joke.” Like they called ica joke, end Gey madea buack of comments Gefeding their actions, complece unaccouzitabilc, right xo Black prisoners faces, ity, they denied everyching. invesigssion is eicsed. They Zon. fist gricrance an Febracry 2nd. the first paons zap had not even exs: Snished when che grevance wes denied by Superincendes’s ussstane Nicki Pau supporters kept calling the prison to try to igure ou: what's g0- in ike, “weean'e do angthing 3 anything becease the guacds are saying they dla’ doit.” Sa Jeske cops investigating cops ere.” Or uioze ike Paul Blarz ivestigating otber Peat Blarcats‘] ops. Yea, dhey conducted an inveri= gation and flnund nothing chey did was wrong. So we're ke, “ob sit, okay, w ‘ne timeline of everything, if Pm remembering correcry, the giey- | ance was actually denied before chis sham investigerion was over, Now the grlev- ance hes becume the basis of whiatis now the fstastanomous campaign demands, A. phosocopy of chis grievance was dropped pabliely tke day of when a second phone zap begat: ‘Peott: Well... pople on the outside didn't jump to a second phane axp righs away. {In part this was because, in the middie ofthe first phone sap, my friend Ka- ‘ona war thrown in the hole, The pricon staff caught an email exchange over Cone nectNeovork email service, white it was mentioned how the zap was going, No ‘more than en miciutes after ieceiving an emai from the outside Rana wes called fnso the offce and asked about che massage, And chen i sas bike.. boom. aZew days laze he vas thrown inthe hole. Live. reall. “The hole ét Rockvlew, it's called “adminisertive custodye” The RHU, Andi¢'sthc lets saltary.Ya'edlowe eH, x our ced dog walk which is basically lie a very smal ind of area that you're allowed to snove around in fora bic and thed the hoe, They claim that you have aevess 20 phones end mai, bax whenever anyone (sin administrasive custody chett loved ones never eet so inftequent that it causes & ripple elfeer of distres ezroughout peoples funilies and communities, if they have people on the outside, tht is. So, iny friesd gece patin che hole, Aud chen 2 few days late, he gets transfered out of sate, He's aot eved in Pennsyivania anymore. An entirely differen sea. Te hap pened se fast, Cannot understate this. The speed with which the PA-DOC is aying to disappear this is revealing fiom huw high ce cover up likey is. This situation kind of deferred our pursits of ‘second phone 2p forasecoud. We had to pause and regroup. And we also had to connect wich more people on the ons. We started getting in comract with more people to inform. them sbout what was happening, reached out to some media, mindful that nox all media is gord media. We also got comnected wich more people inthe fciry wo through this prow . “Then al a sudden people inside the prison Jaunched a lever commpalga... sn antsnomous letter campaign. No outside people related to this planning 1: ‘Which is sick as fark, 20 facking cool. The just went fori! We dida'c event know about ic until after che fac. Sometimes accion needs to just be rsken, on either side ‘of the wall,and coordination aver through the concrolled prison channels is simply not posse, This isan ceampic of hew the inside will alvays seorganize, snd people on the outa neal to develop some capacity to chrewa down oa very shore notes, to defend it and embelden our eormmunity, or pods, or people on the ins, “a this case, people on the inside got together and they sent out a hundred. letters, Andwe have copies of some, And now there’s scanned copies of them foat- ing around online. bfany were just like photocopies of che sams letter, bat seit to (ots of diferent offices, Senaros, goreraor, bur dso media, watch groups, and the Prinan Sociery. And yeah, so they goc like 80% of chose lernecs out before the mail- room cxught them. A staff meruber inside the prison carroborated this fact. Now (CO's and admin fre this poine forward became increasingly pissed and canfused and shifg. They've been very confused about why prisoners havenot relented: Way Bleck prisoners have noc given up speaking out about nooses. These facie realy do not understand the impecs of hanging nooses ina death- riddled prison has had. Wanoatleabousonehpealwatere So, this leter campaign goes out, a press release drops, and unexpectedly + even aps te Cae Dy Dew pp an ope eyeing Ae had no idea chat « mainseream article was going to drop. Bue ie did. "Ts ll color cides with che frst day of the second wave of phone zaps, And chis is Lind of che re speingn ode TSER: To your knonledge, bow have the phone zaps worked, and what sort of responses have the prisoners gotsea from guards? FFratt: Sa ovo vreks ago, a secsnad zap begins, And this isan cccael zap map. ‘We knew the prison was crying bide chis and avs as if everything was smooth, While ‘were increasingly pushing the line for exposure. Aand day after that zap began, and speciclly relation to the reuse of the Contre Dally atic, tao prisoners were throwra in ee hole as eultution, Charles G. and Charles C, Charles G, was noved co Hautudale, and Charles C. sag szoved 20 Fay ste, There are some people i SCI Rockview sti, who are fkcing pesgglow ia sity barassment by self because of supparetor che prieocers Facing And ub from this za, and the repressive fall oat, a nomber of chings ae acw happening, and they are bapeaiug very cuickly. One ching that has happened isthe austonamonas nxt of the scraggle seems to beexpariding, 1¢speople fron: all sors of groups, informal an formal, bs ginning to cinulate info among an ecosjstesn of open parciciparory stragg’e. Tat Is interssting to me. And, people are ceuily taking ic upon themselves taking the i intietive to, you know, chsow dowa for avery celatable situation shat pisoaers in Reckview and thes loved ones are experiencing. Maybe you have a loved one inf Rockview? Or similarly oppressed by B&-DOC? ‘Audan, yeah, this zp has steve lav of azencion. It's tired «Jot of ger on behalf of this Sicily, too, Buc i should he clear ther they incited us,'They brought this on themselves, The prison regime aways claims that we are che aggres- soes, bur they're che aggressors, They established she context of domination. Tis ‘isimporancto keep reminding people as news spreces.. The prison cangered these ‘ovo men to sean example. They are rwo ren who wrote grievances and have heen imxpected deeply by nor only the nooses but the releuties atmospheric rackum facility Phe anci-Blackness is thick. ‘Wasi we would cll nto the prison, we get nothing butts and they deny thar che hofe s retaliation, In fact there isa grvvance coordinazor who wos trying tw sonvines us thst adasinistrative custody is not the ole. And that correctional officers are not cops. { heard 2 friend sey shey are more akin zo mall cops. Be chey ‘enjoy the same lege impunicy to harm ard kill, and chet function is policing, Sol personally do not ave kaw they are not law enfoxcemens, Bt you sce, they get you Jn all these double specie conundrums when you cil in. You jus: have 0 be p= stent and kcep dogging them. They will keep Iyiag to pour face because i keene theis morgage paid and food on the table for thei Soa core group of prisoner: in tae Fatty ac hows realised suainst Ualty aempred 19 be broken up. ‘Thtee people sonal srssférred ont of the acy at we know, and know of, And betwacn she lesser canypaign, pene calls, and newsantice dropping, Rockvlew avan instiarioa snow embarrassed, fearful and panaoid, ‘They will Keto your face and say they aren’s, They are scructuraly unac- ‘countabl: to the harm they cause, Az this poine many people are saying this whole ffacity should just be shut down, Any act taken from bere on out to expose this inckdeas, hac they hoped to bury in the past, Aas become an excuse for them setae agsiner anyone in the prison, Iisa cyclical chain of repression. Tie facility admin asi COs are never seen isthe locus ofthe problem. Every abmse storys in Yidualized onto aprisoner’s grievance about star violence, and the prisoner framed as she aggzessos. So, yeah. So, right now, tht is the situation, And this is elso lke, ‘sind of the nerrative ind real combat we'te stuck... scack fighting within. aud alongride of this situation inside, and alongside the people who have been organizing in the faci, there have been differencacics taken up on the out- side beyond phone zaps—lots of calls and invitations for direce ets oF agitation and disruption. There's also tactics of popular education happening where people are, ‘you inew, pursing out podcasts, putting out audio, and creating media, creating ‘memes even, Wilting position papers on strategy that are generated from reflecting ‘on how does someone, you know, when prisoners make demand, yau know, an uurgeardemand, how do we, s people notin the prison, ensure chat those demands gst met? Because so aftes, when people make demands and organize colleciely, she omcome of chose demands acmuilly do not get met. And often times the de- smands ofa sre or a smaller collective crion snot solely about geting free. twill ‘be abour creating pathways to freedom often, But sometimes itis something at ba- sic as grcing five snore sheets of paper allowed in olitary, or liken this case: forcing shee guard: vobe fired. And we usualy chalk itup to just how ertreme the violence 4s Bur shink chere’s also something that we... 10 be said about, you know He..10 pot be sarsfed with aot having basic demands met. Ones that are reasonable e7eo in she minds of many oppressor. Like firing the guards who hang up noose. Aud se, what does itlook lke, you know, far them to aezualy hold them- selves accountable? They can‘ right? Because that's not their purpose, right? Bus, lke, so, ten it's about consequetces. I's just, like, how... whar kind of con- sequences do these guards recelve who are going to continue to enjoy impunity? ‘Waat kind af consequences is PA-DOC going to receive? And thar is up 10 people ‘on the ouside to step into the cali-the level of risks taken between inside and ‘outside support has not been symumettical in the slightest yee. This is fst fics, not ‘even criticism, And what this meansis that we need rolevel up, we need to organize, and we noed wm think about bow to give theve demande some roctesal ceech. There ‘was 2 posision paper posted on Bhilly dnti-Capttalist recently that L want tn dose ut cheinserview reading some lines Grom. becausei think they get atchis point in fective ways. Dreaming Freedom, Practicing Abolition Timeline of Past Two Weeks ‘Timeline ofthe last two wooks alone, inthe antonomousstruggleto fireguandsfor oases at SCI Rockrvicw aig bressteleaser na weleam about lean campalp: Gass ons /20a409 239i synt~ Geutre Dt article dope raipovstoelccrumunstyfariclenéessessal te SecarcyYan ies Slashed sp abe onciscuriysan-see east! whl -seesehedt Iposaea:fegrsizecoris Har Public Call for Autonomous Campaign drops .Ipblatieap.nohoge np/ee-soceisw-antonomace-capalim meer en nalogssez/not/sonsos/enea-reclc - aes Festaudio lip of chanles Gs wifelesks 9 Phone 2ap pda updated again March 30 -espsyaalionistaradpcom/azcajonlg[s-2-phone-tap-porite- oder sor TESR: Just to keep on track, can you explain a litde bit more about the interstate transfers? What can it mean for someane and theis support net- works? Frott: ‘Thesituation with my friend that was transferred, he had an interstate com pact and that comtract expired. He was expecsing this tcansfer from: che compact cexpiting... Cae contract with, between the sate he was ftom and Pennsylvanie. And so, he wasexpcting, you kno, for chisto kind of happen at some point. Butit was the loophole the prison needed, everyone feels this way. Itwas a very cons you know, a very convenient loophole Zor themn to get him out of the faci labeled abolirionist revoiurionary, and they used this to kick him out of BA-DGOC encrely.Irwas a very suspicious and comrenies:e woment ty be removed fiom: PA DOC entirely, chem catching an email exchange un the ConnectNecwori app, Be- cause thar is really all thar they had oa bits, and even thac does nat seal’y prove any involvement in the zap, Tc just means he had beard abot i happening, which could eve been from anyone, including guards sharing news aborts people calling in. But whens he was transferred, and out of'state. And [2 bring up « couple things about chat, Whess they moved him from the ficiiry other prisoners would say that his spirit remained there, He was.a very imporcanc presence among alot of people, tn tetas of like a unifying presence. And thee spist inspired athess, who have wlso ‘caught heat in the process of rexistance So, the interstate transfer... i's had, you know? I mean, is no: bad if somteane waits it But like, when someone is moved eo another ste that they're not fore, or doesn’t have family in, or their loved ones, or like, their extended com munity does become disorganized further. And thisis one of tae aspects of the pris- ‘on regime, right? I's like, there’s the the racist chattel violence and power relations, there’ like che ways that the technologies precotyped for incarceration Kind of form ail of saciety; and then there's the disorganization of entire communities 1 kinship strucrares. These are layers of wact the prison regia problem iz Ard one of the elements is she separation and disorganization of Iinship sexsctazes When someone's muved to another sate, people wOl rearrange their lives for cher, you know, Tite's lot of things chat happen when you're in a place for « fang eace i prison, One is you develop a famiariy with a system, sight? So, Ske, you develop familiaricy wich lize, of, when something happens, you know who to ell, yor ave kind oftike roarines, you know. like vies ike, ete, tc, Bat als, sometimes people vwill he movad. Sometimes people will move to be cicser to thet loved ones. Then ail sudden your loved one gets moved back out of state. So that's one dimension, “Alse,jum the abmapeness af sore of dese faverscate ransfers Cc: have happened in recent years in che case of prisoner resistance movements and in- side-outside organiaing against specific fucities aad places. Trausfer In general we .2xpol to discourage not just organizing in individual facilities where, st because this isa long standing tactic af when someone is a known organizer or agicaio: o: a resistor in a facility. they'll ke that person and more theta ro anoter fei in ‘the same state, bur they'l just move them. Well, they'll also do interstate transis, And this happens wich lots of people involved in abolicionis: anti-prisor. organiz- ng: Shaka Shar, Sean Swain, Kevin Rashid Johnson. car of sae vomperly because “id his eye of api hole cod aassfr experience ro Stephen Wilson 22 PAL BOC json who hasbeen targeted fers propagation ofl ‘Dill als nen faea anlar experience asthe comrade ia stelle filing grievances, for engaging in a vanctinned petition vee live in ax era now of starewide-to-nation- tional solidarcy in prison suides. Bven if this hasn't happened a lot bose conc: There wes year of recuing statewide sks and ea nationwide prison sonirs chat sll had interustional analogs, Like when the Californie prison sere happened, czere were people going on sukein Greece and in Palestine, Iewas like a woe, bs, I TESR: Yeu, in Canada, toa! Fruce: Yeoh, che whole, you known. They use these sransfers as another tool sa communities, Kinship nerworis, and the social unsb Easr holt a culrace of resistance together. They use interstate or even jst thin «see qunifss, Or if che prison anticipates something's about to pop off, even if usta later campaiga exposing nooses making it through the grapevine of a single Zt, 2h sheen * nilion néssons why they do them, fwor'd not he thee pesten wh: 15 like, whos that experiences. [woald defer that knowledge somy.anp-hane comrades, Bu the sensfers that are happening around ths issue hear about, and BF since some soronacies ace iu dialogue wich tae family members of tae targeted ten, SF we have heard saris fins: and about the ripple edfeer, 1 prison isdoing i. Usually they infor someone, and é lize a mond w bike three moot, und then they get transferred. But this dis happeciag within spon of daye.So ike, Kanne was pasin the hole, ond wh syed yas cransferred ou of scat Thi was the comrade, There's wo other sxe in contact wid, who vere throwa in the hole, ‘Chere could be even ore stipe Chas Hu'te nat in contact with, But to everyone's inowledge it's jure ‘he to people who wece more secently thrown inchehole and chen tans seman in his lare 606, Chatles Gilyard. He was moved froin Rockwiew co Heuracle in chain, and an a bus, alone, No other passengers bur the guards conducting the esensfer, This is within ike literal days since be §s chrown in admin- isteative custody, and then boom. He's sent to a pr ‘Carrington isthe secoad person who was targeted by SCIRockview. grievances, and was throvin in the bole, left there is Reckwiew fora day longer, and then transfers zo SCI Fayerre, So thisis kind of like che sitessors that they ty to, you keno, they have a Sac of control over the terrain Sokind oflike, one ofthe srateyy pieces, for everyone to be tain‘sing abot ow to lend sappact, has become che question af “where can we atc. 2” Haw can we reditece the violence thet this regime infliess upon us, back at the strucoare of the State? What kinds of outside networks, inside-outside formations. above and ‘underground relations, will ic take to perfor: aboliddonise prisoner suppor: effec ‘ively? Like. beyond offering rechnical, material, and emotioaa sapport. Wich are all important, bat keep asking haw can nos-imprisoned poople use es rela- sve freedom of mobility and access to resources, in ways that could give these inside demands a litle more teeth? To lend politcal support. ..What doss it lok lke ro turn ic up a aoech? If anything, to tan it np z notch as = compliment coal the already-cxisting work being done in this region? And co add to this... where ess wwe engage in militant attack that does not refals in negative consequences am thee inside?” Or, ‘is dhatan unavoidable ourcame that aeeds 0 be planned for aheal?” TTFSR: Before we get Into those questions, ca you explain a little more shout the difference berween a call in. campaign and a phone sap? Do you Ihave suggestions for how they can be done effectively? Frott: Okey. Yeu Su think abourhe diffreace berweena “callin caupaiye” and a “phone 2p.° A call-in compeiga could 5e, you know, « bef thing, Orit aval bbe longstanding kind of thing, lke multiple days. And souls eaapaiga ig yo know, lize penple calling in ro infors: offi: about something ori subost something or cicculareinfoemation shout something trough phir ‘emails—if yon have s dedicared group of taxee Jots of ground usizg this method. But its purpose desensis om che goals. Sey instance, lodging grierance or exposing how 2 grievance : purpose im’ necessarily disruption, per sy. And I think the discinction betweea 4 “zap” and a “Lalhia campaign” is important eo mentica because when peopl call for a “zap,” chey’re cypicaly wanting a level of disruption, And che?’ nguishing factor. People use these terms interchangeably. But Lesink isservice in the reaim of operational art, T think about the difference in « couple different ways. And onc! slways use this reference... Buc Oakland Abolition and Solidarity has referred to phone zapsin terms of like a low-tech analog DDoS areac, or direc systems attack in intemer tech terms, So image your calls iva the prison offcesis lke looding a server, Another analogy image is... piovare an image of craic going onc way and then you‘re driving into the se of ic with another ear. Or even dziving the wrong way, What i the low of an inscirutions communications traffic, on a daily evel of ft inner-murkingp and chen you are jamming i up. ou can think of it kind of like « sivin oxcupasion, ght?! Like the way char che eradents protest, in the smudent movewent in California or New York Cixy in the lave aughs, They Would take wer the offce of zn adminkstrators or chanedllor eid nat allow then: tw work for an entire day, sometiaces multiple, To make cersin demands of against she rabing ofsuition, night? That is 2 way of mutesially jamming up the dally Bow ofan insisvnon, sight? Aud then, dongside phone zaps, we en also think about aigalag sacs acsions with mare forums of sabotage right? Internally and externally. helevel of disrsption and che level of like aggressiveness is relly con- ‘ingent ca the goals of a phose’s zap or call in campeige. So, like sometimes yo ff Gon’c want re eucerbate a situation because the sieuasfon for people in s prison is alseudy highly valosrable, right? So, for iastanc, if someone is facing repression for ‘vary spentic particular thing, ike sometins the bestmoveis to not actaggeresive- Jy innesponce right sway Somerimes the best msove so call and just fe] ou whar's Exppening, jou know? So 12s cantingen: on the strategic objective or gus! of what ff poe nced to a, And Echink within chac there's a difference distingnishing beeween "act" end she intensity of mack: So ike, you mow givea what tke objective is, - or not... Or if your goa! is to wreakc hare and cane exten israprion, cagu you dial up the intensity. So thin’ing also abous approaches to sscdlation, Not tks Sera staged, planned pasado escalation tactics | inean like disrupting the day or week of some zdministanorecntizely. Thioking about the le Simetable of what is hoppening isimportans, woo, You can lose sight of how much or bave dora how mise wes efective, ar maybe was effective ut one pole and. Row ls aut, And 20 keeping 3 log of ewaything hespening is imposwaat to feel out your next iors, ges in strategy and approac The prison adminisecators are always adapring, ac these chings can aso un- fot all pressore is felt a once. A phone sap isc vety simple racic of varie egatuet2corcealinsicuion, There are tnaes sane retrext sad regrouzing is novessery. To pouse doesn’t menn to detract pressure, And cal. fi iosanc 2ap% should be ased in elation to other tartcs, best when firinto alstcaer traneay to ger hat ts you wantor todo wh you feel is necessary. Oesse fg Sealy you can ger 2 syrapacheric person.on te phone tat works inthe arson... god then al ofs sudden someone is now out he hole and backin general popula ‘ion. This is somerhlag dt chin a lot of people who have never ben to prison or bere been ored to interface with the prisons wo ensure a loved one is getting és prison wurker (even if hey ) can become sympathetic to whar’s happening, This is ‘chevon iti many siuustions, (Bint laugher) ‘They are Glaugisr).. bu: they can he « points of contact in cerein “ssep in your muck pockee to use" So somerimes i's about, you know, tact, right? And then sometimes i's more about amace. For instance, the eallins and zape for this style against SCL Rockview. There's this person who works in the office wha is oammed Nicki Poul, ‘She's the grievance coordinator. Ske's also the ssperiacendent’ssusstanc. the community Faison. She's olds like three ocher fucking tines in th sentially the Eciny warden and PA-DOG officials in Mechenicslnag shove all of the public flack onto hes, So we have reasor to believe this cavers coming from, sap high, But Nick is also very deceptive. And we also lesraed that he is the ac-ual coordinator that denied the grievance Charles G, aed fled abot the guards hang. Ing nooses. So we kept getting redirected to her. And, i's like, “okay, they're going tw redirect us to her. They're all ignoring ous calls x this point, eending shings 1 voicemail, or directing us to her. She’s lying every time. The responses she aiving sometimes don’t even line up.” So, we’7 like, “okay, whar’s an escalation Tactic? Ob let's record heras.” So, now another comrade gor tno recordings of her. ‘We kepr hearing ail these stories about poople cling in, aow family and wives of people were calling in and treated very pourly on their eas, So comeore called in and recorded. Those recondings are ‘eaked onfine now, f anyone wants to heat fos themselves, Another thing to just keep in mind when doing “calin® ac 4229, is providing « shore, swecinct script for people wke aren’: Gamilior wit che situation, but would like to participate, And making shory, succinct seripre and stacrative (wits some cealily avafable matabes) allows Zor people who don’ nec cssarlly have time co study the conte: ofa thing, but rea'y want to chrow dow, (because they're seeing che posts abour whats happening, they're following che se sy. they're heating It from friends or whateve:, yon know. Al you con share chase ‘even with loved ones of people in the facity. and ehey coud be rexding them. But +o be honest, loved oncs of prisoners ate tne criginators of te phone zap cacti, To be Lonest i is jase simple facet of Sf when you cate arare concetnod on che outside You will cal in, sometimes day, to demand fait treatment or suse sore of Immediate condition to be addressed, You are interfacing with che prison systsms constantly. And for manny people whose loved anes are inside, chey know the mat ‘best. So the scipes tend to be more for people who want to partcipate bu have noc been centrally invoived in coordinating the zip. ‘The other suggestion [ would make is that wher you need is a phone cluster, or small group of people commnirced to the zap, wo sharing feedback, and recognizing pattzms, and to decide when a goa! has bees: reached or if tis naces- very to whe up your upproach and metho. So, you have, ke, a tiny group of opi, like a pod or a clusver of people: who you'se sharing the information wit constanely. T's not just one peron mang calls collecting ell dae stuf, Bat yor. have a kind of lites eee, or fitsery, or group cha, yor know. Some som af wy thar you'te talking, or regularly mecting to communicate what's happeaing, Is alizde accountabiicy structure for yourself cad also to docurmect th 1up the morale aiso BE Vos tever wast to just csssme Gat if you port a poblic all for ‘ox sori! media, people are going ro eal in, “That earely aemully works, More Pe kind of cool how many panple are down anid interented iti opie not calling move tin onceif dey see icon socal medias gh. K scunts ily, bat some people will get cis you ought to make sure che: you're aecualy doing the zap chat you are shaving publicy, and ther you havea crew ‘even fuse second or third person) shatis ready for itso that you'renot Jost dinging it on people ane expecting them to stop their day, right? Sometimes E) chere’san ccacrpency you can’t, you know, prepare, but sometimes you can be like “boy, uncoccow vez going todo amp" oxlet people mow atleasta liste bit afin, : So, thacwould be my advice, in no specificorder of impostance, Sateat Noss a aboliscnise who is formerly-inearcersted and part of the Bel ad Study and Straggle, has great article that ue wrote while Paone Zap sastegy, and the importance of having same group ebolistonists.. What does ie mean to eaibudy what we say, when we snake the Jatn “sScaricy meaus euack”? “There's sncriner website, Polly Ansicagaafit, Some of your lixeness are probably aware of ts page, It's a dor noblogs counser-izfo sive thac’s smtelated to the “gebollionseudy” page { mentioned. It's an axonomous website that's anonymously ron, There has been. more local eazlysis comlug vus om it xegarding SCL Rockvievs, aad here s ut open inviation fur poople throughout Penney nia 10 tap in, aad wie sutorumoue action in solidarisy wich che prisonets at SCI Rockview, in solidarity with the prisoners who were reprimanded by the factley and forcibly transferred, and in solidarity witk their loved ones, This eutonomons action can be framed. anyway people see fit, however the idea is thar we would like +o see more combative rechniiques tsed +o doubie-down on the prisoners demands that the noose-hanging guards be fired and en external investigetion of Rockview be made. When you hing or have a position paper on the SCL Rockvies seruggle, or struggle against PA-DOC more Lroadlz, you cap and this type of ern vo Phy Ancicap for underground staremenss, or sven Seeman af tbe Adlansa Forest, becatse Its submission process is enctypted well, And yor can send things t0 Dreaming Freedom Practicing Abuléton vo ax it wclates to above ground shit. And they have instractions to do ic on both of sheir pages, And so. T guess chode are the central Zorums. And then some of the apalysis has also bees publi- cc by In The Belly and testimony of fanily members is about to air on in Tor (Méx, These are all above ground formations as well. This is because chey’re both abolitionist projects based ont of Pennsyivanis. Alcaough they encompessimpris- ‘oned comrades from around the country, they are forums for discussion around ‘what's bappening at Rocicview right now, wid In che prisoner sesstance movement in Penasvlyania. . 4 “Thepise noe the only placce and shings. They are net sxanpies of how et people in PADOC prisoners chink and organize. They're not centealized. initer- Sonally vanguard lard of projects. They are just pastorme amony otket lasforss that exit co amplify the work of inside abolitioniets in parcieulas, anc wotess frem struggies across and against ce walls more generally. We don’t know everyone. Muth of tis is open invite tind of tings: Anyone can send cbers analysis for di semination. So, yeah. So, 7ou could look to those to places ix, che Future a chi unfold. DE TWOC'S Instegram. is also posting zeportege about the chone’s app icons spediically. Pally Anti-Reptession and Finsbury Somes have been. ame jing calls on social media relentiess.3 poreci Bur peah, chere ina crea coratellation oF people extalyaings and began fom seraggles inside this specific prison. fe hopefitly will eur iniss capacity mo dioraps. There is no promise ofthe: happening. Butshere® ace: mitted group of people that axe deczscre! ie ad maldng call for ronomous participation thar felsreteshing 0 see and touches un eh aces shared by most people impacted by PA-DOC, We are atill connee people ia the prison, Inc we are now forced ro divide wzanmgy bet reisoas: pashing the demands on teartach, and defensivereasne: cnaking aur people who ficed repression and were transferred arein cur view to prevent farther retaliation. On both fronts our comibet tight now remains agains: CO imprcnity. ‘TRSR: So, what is an example of some of the stuff you mentioned that has been poster un Poly Anti-Cepitalist recently. You mention Stewes of toe Ailants Forest bas been accepting anonymous clas, statements, and re- pores is well? This is analyels and action coming frum other focal anarchiate, beyond your komediate circles? coming from multiple angles. Aboveground aboltionist nerworks ‘and priscner advaceey groups, have been organizing on legal and exrs-legal fronts Public calls for esearch, discussions about the principles of an aunanorsous cam- aign, all chis i cinating. Coondinssing with family members is happen ‘There i aso an anderground dement, which fels distince and separate. But its dncrd zo wel wit thet will look Bike es of now. There was en azzack on security ve ‘jlas recently, inspired by che calls to mobilize against SCI Rockview. Multiple ‘vehicles bed cher tres slashed. And the responsibility claim was by some anarchists (00 Phily Antiegp. Sa there is potential for bork arracks on Infrastructure to give sone tech tothe demand, And there's porential for this campaign to develve into ‘a moze general struggle ta clase SCL Rockview. Atleast this is the feting I gatier. ‘We nzed hel propagcting this underground initiative, as some of ws who here bee. most involved in this seraggle to-date, on the outside, are constancly forced to iutetice with the prison facilites and administeators Sa, we need more B antonowous calls acivared, And we need poople ta do this smmardy and withour ‘wace, And when people rake accion, Ie neds to really be in line with the spit of | sbolitivn und anct-authoricaianiim, So permanent confit with PA-DOC, until th ‘More convetiation about the difference between & “diversity of tactics” and direct secon always can be had, for sure. The language if Lind of used inter- changesbly in the uuevials coming our, Bu: I chiak ifthe geal of an aboltccist sevolciouary ia chs sitastion would be encourage others to actin ways that offer ity litdle mare saying powe..lke, to giveinside demands «little more reeth... We need pengie so sor v0 more creative aes of disruption, ye know. And ‘we need chem ve show forall shar ches’ joy to be found in the atacie, Yad ke 2 clove wih reacing nh. reading two statements chat wete posted in the laserwowterks, Hoth ate uu Philly Anei-Capstalin, Okay so Lam going to read these adsee sarements verbatim, Bus che following words are nat mine direct, ‘The fist i an exceapt from a piecs on Philly dnszap, elled "SCI Rocke onomous Campaign,” publisned on Manch 27: Philly Anti-Capitalist Philly Ant-authoritarian Naws a CI Rockview Avtonomous Compaign seonages ‘at sgn oa SC Radin a mare OR Ne drat ee fe, tr ect ete crn cts Sea, ene comm ies a4 pa age rt arp natal ty tee Nouet arya ta iene ro re Upto D0C can, aman ata LI gia a cena fd hos nm aa er be ote ays ss Ue oternEe mez P9579 epeNON AC MaNEH "ae omy rents gosta rae ty ton ee hee ig aye pms fn te eval ttnas The se rang mer ete So 9 wore net regen tact 9th et rb pores a try end ane re Pawoncraie ‘nese nc tapers Re Me ute csi ani soos Mbt Rew a Flinn rca. Sie days hose thar ariele was published oa Philly dnti-Capisabie, sounc ouside suppo)ten: of peopte imprisoned by BA-DOC released « position pager thet. ch tum... "ve isa leaned that this comes From iongstaacding set of discussions beeen, cororads cx the ins and outs. By people who have had exrensive expetieace with support zoe Phone maps, care work, and oer auliant expesiments swith backing demands of collective action inside. So, you know that piece is tded Jiionistinsurgency & prisocer suppoct is Penasyivania", oublicked begins wida stazement by one of the comrades who was removed ve bare was therefor che las: few years, That pars ads “ls proces, we cam rive & sake contrel of the priton at any time, bat that won't relieve ws tsi bing death, We eed ar comrades én the world ro take the fight oxt af te als of egidasion © co ue pros walls bemscloes. Only hen cam we actually sid this war. esau on bath fronts wuld make the difference beween us hanging contne walls Gus breaking Shem down, When the workd sees this ie will shows thar the Frcade of twvinetbin shat the poten: bas cultivated ceer generations of slavery isjust ats an ilnaton.” Okay, 20 then the outslde comrades, reflecting on his words, then write, ery pec- reashcly sbout dhe need wo levebup our outside forces. dante want vo seally read Ge whole ching I think penpfe san just search for the ttle in & search engine, So het wane ty do fs pull cuc the overa dozen questions that are threaded through- Wht des axtonomons direct action in solidarity with collective action i B side aoe he fr abelisionsrs om che outside, anal where are the targets tbat would be most dcisive fo attack? . m can inside and extscle move at once? And in sis context, bow 2: abcegraced formations muse horizontally with-an underground iafltin the ss in srk that one anotier is unable ta do? What are the snuticutions,comtractars, buildings and otker mructure that enable PAWIIOC ta function inthe fir Uf aris prison “auduserial complex” what isthe constellation of sites that valloio it ta finction, shat give St coberence and life’, ‘ft prison regime i upheld by numsronsinibutinal cxnarions enters of pravity ~ that ex far beyond the “reife” stdnane of "tbe prison” stuf — them where are the mast impacful targets to attack in solidarity wl pri oners taking callecive action? ‘P a ook like beyond (only) non-cinfticewal 0 ion the only ones wo are expected | toangage in material disruption? To take risks? sve we just vessels of emational. | slidariyé Where tien, would the targets be, for outside abolitionists i exert greater _prasire? How mighe this change perspective of srategy? How might thinking ‘mere expansieeky abou the terrain of engagement amine new tactic hori- (Or mabe the objective of presiuring the cate to mecta specificdemand from ide is he wrong auty to prattlee attack and direc action altogether? strikes typically bate demands, So wba shen do we do with our becles ov (rebavioe) mobibley Gnd access to informarion/resourcei/took: that are eb take collection action for particular goals wile laced ug? WT here are he lopitcal sbakepotnt? What are targets atk andiates of dsraion that den’ res vere bucks o cota sragting on the invile? Where are tbe vulvenabtisee 0 privon management’ morale ana bow aes one remove the will of guards to endive? Wisaris the relenionship between a lacal-tostate government, tbe interna! Fisfdanas of pritons € jails, & the contractors wha fate ts sethered to he regivaet ‘insist repraduition? How can tensions or antazeninns herceen sich citi ses be anacertated by outside sabotage? Secnri : ropenty They help the police paz veuple in ors, they are par! ar the pri ca ‘ndustrial complex. . Beoule atlack 5 privete eourity acs as tae auxiliary Fhe peison ane alate. Wich chis in wind ae woll aw reasine aoour che riew wa slashes the ecuritas Tals nes easy, ard roplicate-eb, t thet you Te bring this snategy to laf we wat only need comrades who ave up for the tack 9 divest ercaching tn sclidarity wih tnadeelicove action, but we also need a mange of peopl eo sake up this cance a: the hovel of recant, propagation, and expending eapaciy for regional anté-represion ‘wore ara camnuoiy car. ‘ WE need people wha can map the dtitusional form of Re-DOC. WE need peoste 20 map the digital aommnunicarions ijadractire We nec people that aouiercand howe the nodes of tasticutons thas make up PA-DOC within Penmgluania trance ext to every carcer of the US sever clonal territory, wish ofc, nemote wares, Jonirastors, etn all within reach of somzane wa i willing io tale action, yt seeds map to rae pare: We aso nced a more focused effre of people Jnoaled in combative actions dirty tv participate in defen the fre ‘sth spreads, This cin be done by simply organsuing leer uaibing nighs 2» spe Penple te cas shat they catcscaarges for the risks iby sate. This cam alt be done fy focusing in on. building or strengtvening neswarks that provi care anc mntual 21 within your ical spheres of movement and comment other caxcaral fai closures, aad. ancrikehan re deeply recture of chose small actions: can build eapasity co 2° able to brea’ dew the przson ‘FESR: Thanks ao mach for this discussion, Before we sign ont, is there any- thing clic you would like to share, of leave us ta chew on as an audience? las: off Pd jus keto say chat the demands of che prisoners who began, -ace in SCE Roskview, wins are now scactered around Pa recaliatory transfers... the demands of these prsonersare very reasonable and con crete. Taey ute something that people can rally behind in a wey that removes power from the comtectional oficers without expanding the legitimacy of policing on the whole, A dha is ewentilly being asked for isthe fring of the guards, and for one to get mandatory cherapy avan aczaP"mercy.” And the other demands is that wim... ‘That the fcilicy be placed under an external investigation, This is beyond anything thar “hare crime’ lew can encompass, to be sealy real... What you will find when ‘you dig, even just ar che surface lev s hat this ln’: corruption at all bur a per- verte, sadinds, procedural operating norm. What you'll see when you dig, even at the susie level, is facility rotzen at the roots, yet anctioning So, in veems of this speci atruggle at SCI Rackview, efter the experience working together, even aver only the span of afew months, many of as would now like vo see SCL Reckview condemned and closed, wich no prison ever allow to be bulls again in Pennsylvania, To bulldoze SCI Rockvlew isthe idea, and then maybe bulldoze YA-DOC entiey. To do chis, but to da so-while also demanding that no ty be luc in its place. We want immediate decarceratin, prison treation of more pathways to freedom. So yeah, we want this as part of ua cverall abolitionist vision—not only of freedom for individusl people immisereced by captivity... Its a vision of tata liberation for the entre criminal izec-survblist class, Fre: our peopl, fee the ‘and. End capicalism. Ed colonial pattascly. And end chis white Civilization death cult. 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